This is my favorite non-Latin Latin phrase…taught to me by my high school Latin teacher. It came immediately to mind the other day when a commenter suggested that a better understanding of ancient underwear was in order. Well, we aim to please here at Ancient Armitage, so here you go:
**WARNING**
Ancient nudity ahead!
Even a cursory look through the corpus of Greek art, the remaining visual record of the civilization. argues that a great deal of ancient Greek life was conducted in the nude, especially for men. There is a fair amount of information preserved about Greek dress, and most of it agrees that even when they were clothed, the Greeks did not regularly wear any type of undergarment beneath. This raises the question of support when engaged in the kinds vigorous athletic activities that were a large part of the culture. I knew that the Greeks utilized a sort of rudimentary “athletic supporter” called the kynodesme (κυνοδέσμη). It consisted of a thin strip of leather that was was tied around the end of the foreskin and then secured around the waist or at the base of the penis.
What I was not aware of until I did a bit of reading for this post, was that this practice also resulted in an particular Greek aesthetic preference in terms of the display of scrotum and a resulting enlongation of the foreskin. The things you learn blogging! Interestingly, unlike the Greeks who were early practicioners of “going commando”, the Über militaristic Romans were much less loosey goosey about underwear. True to their uptight reputation, Roman men wore an undergarment called a subligaculum. As you can see below, the finished product looks quite a bit like a diaper.
Despite having very little prohibition on nudity and a strong culture of public bathing in the buff, citizen class Romans are very rarely depicted in their subligaculi. It’s fortunate, for the purpose of illustration, that this was also the go to garment for Roman gladiators who are widely depicted in Roman art
One famous fresco depicts women, identified as athletes, wearing a similar garment along with a brassiere like strophium.
Outside of athletics, which would have been of limited access for most, it seems that underwear of any kind were optional for Roman women.
After this brief tour through ancient underwear, I’m left with one burning question:
Richard Armitage….Greek or Roman??
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Delightful!
Thanks you kindly 🙂
Very cute! Thanks.
I never could resist a challenge 🙂
Enjoyed your post immensely, obscura!! 😀
Thanks!!
You caught the gauntlet firmly and beautifully. Or wait, were those the two words I had in mind when I finished on the last two illustrations? Hm. In any case – this is the sort of historical information that I always found much more interesting than dates of battles and genealogies of kings. We are talking RL application here. Most interesting, Obscura. And strangely, I am reminded of Prof Obscura’s little instruction chat with that actor in preparation for his turn in a ancient period piece. ” “Please tell me more”, he whispered huskily, pursing his lips and leaning forward with a smile.”…
LOL! Asked and answered :D. I was just talking to my new classes about how I can’t agree that history is boring…some history *teachers* are boring, but observing human activity is never so! Oh yes…imagine the consulting extends to wardrobe fitting… While reaching to make a minor adjustment, “Oh dear, my bracelet is caught in the fabric…” 😉
Well, there is an idea. I may just borrow that line once I have figured out which picture to use…
Educational and entertaining. 😀
I think the best instruction is…it’s a bit like performing 🙂
Lol!
Very educational. Sadly, my classes were never this interesting. 😉
Dates and wars, dates and wars…bleh. I’ll find some way to work this into my regular curriculum…boosting enrollment one underwear (or lack thereof) at a time. 🙂
When I was in college, you had to be a junior or senior to get to this part or these parts of ancient history … I think it’s different now … 🙂 Happily!
LOL! Yeah, I happily share this with freshmen…if they’re 18 😉
Love this sort of historical detail, with the crafty Richard twist at the end!
Yeah, talk of underwear doesn’t come up everyday for most historians…and it was very accommodating of RA to provide some food for thought 😉
I will take a ‘wild’ guess and say that he is Roman by day, Greek by night, and magically delicious all the time!
The possibilities are endless 🙂
Very informative and great fun to read!
And I agree with Mujertropical…
Welcome, and thanks for commenting! Variety (even in underwear) is a good thing 🙂
Love th post.Love the bow.
Yeah…I wasn’t quite getting how that version actually worked from the illustration alone (vase painting has it’s limits), but a google image search of kynodesme provided plenty of clarification…let’s just say NSFW clarification 🙂
I think I looked at the same website you did. “Dog Leash”?
Something like that…it is the literal translation of the word. I had no problem with securing it around the waist, but the version illustrated on vase doesn’t show how tying it to the shaft basically makes a sort loop of flesh. Being 1. Female and 2. American, I wasn’t quite following how that worked. I get it now 🙂
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Very informative, 🙂 thank you !
IMHO, it’s neither Greek nor Roman with RA,
but Ballet, like here:
youtube.com/watch?v=M2SmFaS6lzA&feature=player_detailpage#t=104
(Dance of the Furies by Christoph Willibald Gluck)
Perhaps we need now an expose on the dancer undergarments throughout history? E.g., Louis XIV was very fond of dancing on Lully.
Welcome aand thanks for commenting! Ballet style works for me too 😉
Who ever said history is boring, must be boring themselves. Thanks for today’s lesson. Now back to writing class.
I think a lot of it has to do with presentation…good luck with your writing!!
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I have posted this comment on one of your other pages, but it may have been more suited here –
‘ I was intrigued, a few years ago, on a visit to Pompeii, to hear the guide say that Roman ladies used to buy vials of their favourite Gladiators’ sweat.
It just reminded me of we ladies and some actor or other….’
LOL…yes, quite apropos. Gladiators had huge fandoms of Roman ladies. Hmmm, a vial of sweat, full of pheremones, sounds…ah….*inspiRAtional* ?? 😉
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